All of this is just pure speculation and idle curiosity but I do wonder…
There was an online article I saw this afternoon that said some wealthy land buyer had purchased the infamous Neverland Ranch in Los Olivios that belonged to M. J.
I’m from California and while I’m very familiar with the existence of his former ranch, I’d never
actually heard of Los Olivios so I punched up the location on Google Earth.
The satellite view of the 2700 acre property is the stuff of legends. The property still bares old mark’s of former amusement rides, zoo animal enclosures and the most epic length of railroad track ever that goes all over that property. Who the heck doesn’t like trains, right?
Interviews of friends and family affirmed that M.J. was not just known as a big kid but that some felt he was simply incapable of escaping childhood!!
You see the way this guy lived and the types of things he surrounded himself with and it does make one wonder…
When a community member speaks here and references the risks associated with disclosure to a close confidant, a family member or significant other, those thoughts are often followed by the stress of knowing, once it’s out – it’s out!
I always wondered about him. Where exactly was his mind? Did he in fact possess a little side? If so, I couldnt even begin to imagine the weight of being an international pop star, a decades long sensation with millions of fans knowing that you couldn’t ever tell anyone!
To me, I see it as a distinct possibility that M. J. was a little but was as we all are, deathly afraid of disclosure!
Michael Jackson as far as I can tell was a paraphiliac infantilist whose activities with children can probably never be known. I can understand why you might wonder if he ever grew up. Like you I wonder, though not a great deal as I was never a fan of his music and getting to the truth behind the tabloids seems impossible. I wonder what his primary sex objects were… There remains the need for a full study of him and his sexuality and how he related to children - as a big kid or adult. I doubt we will eve get one. But somebody amongst his physicians and close staff could open a window to let some light in(?)
I definitely believe Michael Jackson was an infantilist, or a little like you said. For the unable to escape childhood comment you made- that is actually really common for child abuse survivors and he most definitely was one.
There is a specific connection I was thinking about and it has to do to with his Moms religion. That religion which I won’t mention is a mess! It’s a giant case of yikes!! I definitely know because when my Mom divorced when I was very little, my sisters and I were forcibly brought in the religion. It’s a flat out cult! Mind control, indoctrination, doomsday beliefs, everyone else is screwed and we’re the only ones who can be saved but only if we don’t F up, etc.
Studies have been done on this cult and the damage suffered by those who’ve left! M.J. and his sisters had some serious horror stories as we all do - those of us who escaped. The word stress doesn’t even begin to scrape the surface of that mess and on that old DPF website years ago there were occasional topics related to, " Was anyone ever one of those?" The responses were in some cases fascinating and I realized how many ABs there are/were who probably were so simply because of the unrelenting stress and anxiety associated with that crazy cult. In addition to whatever kind of other issues he was dealing with, the materials, the discourses, the good v evil mind set, the practices for many, young and old are simply too much. One would need to escape the horrific nature of the cult by any way possible. As I said to begin with it’s all speculation and we’ll never know but with him, I’d be willing to bet good money that he was..
Considering how abusive dad Joe Jackson was and how hard he rode the kids in the act (especially the youngest, being Michael, starting at 5 or 6), I can’t really blame Michael much. Michael had almost no childhood, a story very common with many child actors, such as Judith Barsi, Anissa Jones, etc. Hollywood and stage-parents use kids up and throw them out for profit. There’s no childhood in that at all.
This is something that I have thought for a long time as well. We will probably never know the truth of if he ever did anything wrong or bad but I do feel that he just wanted to be a young child and have a childhood, more than anything.
I believe at the very least he would be considered a little, he had many childish qualities. I have heard rumors through the years he may have been ABDL.
This does make a lot of sense. It also explains why MJ acted like a slightly older kid than most ABDLs in the community - we often have early childhood traumas, whereas for him it must have started around age 6. I can’t see MJ wearing diapers, based on what I know about him; he could probably be classified as an older little or middle.
The story of Judith Barsi was one of more worse stories I ever heard. Both Judith and her mom were abused by her father. I remember reading on Wikipedia that he was jealous because she was making so much money, too. She was really short (probably some sort of growth hormone failure, like pituitary dwarfism) and would often play children in films and sitcoms that were supposedly age 5 when she was in reality around 9 years old. She was a voice actress too, having done the voice for Ducky in the movie “The Land Before Time”. In 1988 when she was 10, her so called dad (I say so called dad because he doesn’t even deserve the title of being called a dad) murdered both Judith and her mom (and then he committed suicide). May he slowly rot. That was just so sad, that entire story. Her grave at the cemetery she is buried in actually has the words “Yep…yep…yep”, the catchphrase of Ducky from the Land Before Time.
That’s what I thought too, as well. I think Michael was more emotionally and socially like a 12 to 14 years old maybe. Some of the amusement park rides that he had at Neverland Ranch probably show this, because they seemed to appeal to mostly older kids. A lot of the rides would be more interesting for a preteen or a younger teen, but I realized he didn’t really have any “baby rides”. I call them kiddie rides, and a lot of amusement parks do, BUT most of the “kiddie rides” I do like are really more like “baby rides”. Most of the kiddie rides I like, like the Red Baron airplane type of ride, or similar rides that are shaped like bumblebees that aerial carousels, are more like “baby rides” and would appeal more to toddlers and preschoolers than to older children or preteens. In fact, in most amusement parks I have been to, there usually is a MAXIMUM height limit of 54 inches tall (4 feet 6 inches tall). My older nephew who is 12, isn’t that big, he’s a little smaller than average and he was already 54 inches tall even at age 10. I was almost 5 feet tall already by age 10. So with a maximum height limit of 54 inches, that would eliminate most children above 9 or 10 years old. There are a few places like Dollywood in Tennessee and Disney World, and another place closer to me (2 hours away) where adults can ride on the kiddie rides, but unfortunately in my case, most of the amusement parks limit it to 54 inches and under. Which was one of the reasons in another thread about “what age would you like to be” that I wish I was a 3 year old OR the size of a 3 year old. I don’t like roller coasters so at most amusement parks, I really don’t have a lot of rides I can ride on, since I can’t ride on the kiddie rides.
Pretty sure this could be true as he never really had a childhood growing up in a performing family with overbearing family and grandmother. Inside the grounds he could at least pretend to have a childhood of sorts. I always felt sorry for him as he was houded from the begining and more so when he had a family of his own. Perhaps his wife Debbie Rowe was a mother figure for him.
I’ve heard MJ never did have a childhood, so maybe he was. Of course, we will never know. I think his Amusement Rides and his Garden Railroad might have grounded him as a star. I mean, I could buy anything, so he wanted things he never had growing up.
I rode on three or four roller coasters at one of local amusement parks in the period of when I was 6 to 9 years old, when I was a child in the early to mid 1980s, but almost all of those times, I ended up on these roller coasters because my dad “tricked” me into going on them with him. I never liked that sort of stuff, and to be honest, even the “kiddie” / children’s roller coasters scare the daylights out of me. Some of the children’s roller coasters are actually quite fast - and scary - for a ride aimed at children who are likely under age 10. Although it seems like a rather large percentage of them enjoy those roller coasters, ironically. There’s no way in Hell I would ever go on a looping roller coaster upside down. I don’t know how people take videos on those coasters. I’d certainly drop my camera and then I’d probably drop out of the ride. These kinds of rides should never be rode by people who have health issues. I won’t even ride on bumper cars now, although I did as a child, and even 6 years ago. However, my throat has bled more easily due to acid reflux, starting during COVID 19 quarantine. It usually is okay, and now I usually don’t have issues, because, nowadays (since December 2023) I’ve been taking Prilosec for my acid reflux every other day. I’m definitely not going to ride on any rides that could be harmful to my health, and that definitely includes roller coasters. Chronologically, I’m almost 50, so I’m heading up there (although with my Autism, I look more like I’m 26 years old). Yeah I tend to like the baby / kiddie rides.
Nothing wrong with the baby/kiddie rides. I’m thinking of writing a story about someone making playground equipment for babies using 3D printing. Someone 3D an automobile so why not 3D a swing set, a slide or a seesaw.
I hate those upside down coaster, I’m a human, not a bat…
Not a bat! Good one! And you aren’t a sloth 
, either. LOL.